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Join us every Thursday at 12 pm, EST we will interview different businesses, designers, indies, and influencers in the community!
Today's guest is Fashion Illustrator, Jonquel Pickney.
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hello hello hello welcome back it's thursday we're back with the new speaking of curves
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um each week we do an interview featuring a designer a brand a business owner a creative an
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influencer in the plus space um with me marie janae i'm the creator of the kirby fashionista
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i'm the founder and the editor-in-chief sounds a little fancy right y'all notice i got new hair
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got my new hairdo like for the new year like for all the things we're doing so i'm feeling
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hella fancy um and i'm really really really excited about our guest but before i introduce her as you're
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tuning in let us know where you're tuning in from don't be shy we want to know say hello if you have questions
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throughout our um live don't be shy drop a link drop a question um and and this is
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interactive right we're having a conversation it's called speaking of curves so we're
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going to talk about it right so our guest i'm really excited i've known her i want to say this i've known
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them for like like five-ish years or something maybe a little bit more anywho
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they are an artist a creative an entrepreneur who is really really really hella
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talented with their i want to say sketching drawing painting
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like all things plus size art and fashion like she is the the um epitome
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of both right we've seen her um do some collaborations with designers on business cards she's illustrated some things for us many
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moons ago i am so so so excited please say hello
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and welcome miss jonquil hello john quell hello hi i'm
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oh my gosh this is so exciting so you guys if you guys are just tuning in we are welcoming in miss jongwell of john
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paul art like so and then we have marsha saying hello from baltimore maryland
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we have kenny he's in texas baby how are you doing in texas
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oh our heart goes out to texas right now i mean i've been over here like trying
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to amplify like resources over on twitter um have you been able to to share any
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information do you know anyone in texas that you reached out to a lot of my family is in texas many of
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them without power without water so my dad has been on the phone all day with like our cousins and some
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of my uncles out there um it's all about how would a for a few days it's almost like a min
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another katrina in a way it's kind of triggering um in that space a little bit but they're in good spirits um and i'm
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hoping that they get the power back on as soon as possible because i always joke that if winter came to the south we
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wouldn't know what to do and we don't know what to do
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i'm in atlanta and i came right after snowmageddon and yeah i've been like every time i'm like is it
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gonna smell like and i'm a cali girl so i don't really know snow i already know i can't handle it
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right right i already know um tani responded she actually said i'm
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lucky to not have been affected so many are still without resources tani if there's any additional information
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that you can share that we can help amplify please share that with us okay um please share you know you can dm me you can you
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know we we're connected to any so i want to be able to help amplify and support however we can okay
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thank you so much thank you so much um and and then prayers to your family john well
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yeah yeah i'll definitely keep them at like it's just horrible i would be i i i needed to make sure we
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addressed it i wanted to make sure like we called attention to it especially like on top of verona
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on top of like the world right now right so let's kind of pivot a little bit
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i mean we're talking about rona you are creative you are all things creative by being
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shut in by being forced to sit down and just be still how has that impacted you as an
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artist i needed it i actually needed it actually before rona hit i had actually
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packed up my things and left um new york city to move back home because i needed like a break i needed to pause
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and like re-center myself and i was only supposed to do it temporarily but rona said no you're
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going to sit down and work everything out so right i was right i didn't intend to
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be back here this long um but where's here where's he here is new orleans
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okay okay there is no problem i thought what i wasn't i didn't intend to be in new orleans this
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long but i felt like almost as a country we needed to sit down and just recenter
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ourselves and my heart goes out to everybody who had to deal with you know the health issues that kobe
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brought i mean it was very very very scary um i live my parents are older
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so they were serious about the quarantine they admit that we were not going outside
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listen i'm trying to i have to like i have to fuss at my mother because she's cheap i feel like i have to parent my
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parents like i feel like i know you're not going to the casino
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you're not going to church no nana you don't need to go to walmart like no just stay
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home stay home yeah my mom had to do that with my dad too because he tried to sneak out a few
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times just to go to the walgreens he wanted to meet people so bad but i don't know it the funny thing is is
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that when i was in new york i had pretty much stopped drawing for a little while i had gone through a phase where i was
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like i was diagnosed with anxiety and i had stopped drawing at home now i would still draw at work
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because i was uh a designer i did textile design for living for a lot of brands
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but when i got home i couldn't draw so when could when um corona happened and
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we were stuck inside it brought back that creativity to me and
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i just started sketching the things that were helping me get through
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you know the quarantine so i came up with this series called quarantine bay and it literally just started with me
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doing a self-portrait of me laying down surrounded by all the things that were helping me survive
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and i posted it to instagram and people just immediately say oh do another one do another one so huh
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do you have it handy yep i want to see we want to see so this is the first one
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i'm going to hold it up to the screen and see if it'll show hold on this ring light is super bright but here we go oh
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so you can find them on my ig so that is the first one i did um and it was like a big hit
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because my instagram had been stale for a while but then i started doing and that i just started doing a whole series of
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them and i got friends were like i want you to draw me and i hadn't done
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a commission for anybody in a while and i was like i really don't want to do any commissions right now i'm just trying to work on my mental
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health and one of my friends just straight up cash at me and said you're
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you're going to draw me so i said fine so i opened up commissions and i prayed and i was like
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you know what i wasn't at the time i wasn't getting any assistance for the government or anything you know
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the stimulus all that stuff was you know i didn't get any of that um so i was like maybe if i just get
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five or six people this will help me get through the month i'll open up those commissions i got 80
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of them [Laughter] stop it i got 80 of them i think in the
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year 2020 i did oh a hundred commissions bless you
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is all of this coming from yeah they just people just love that series and i just
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didn't know i'll even show you like i can if i can scroll through like i have tons and tons
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of these all commissions these are all commissions of people that
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i drew that is amazing so yeah for you
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you had to relocate you locked you you locked down at home and doing so you got more
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your creativity came back you kind of centered yourself and then it it allowed for you to kind
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of rebirth something that you used to do had stopped doing and then it provided
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revenue it provided revenue it provided um some mental stability because i
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couldn't worry about all the time
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so it created like this mental stability and i was just working i was just working
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non-stop i was working so much that my mom we had to put an arm brace on my right hand
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um because i was constantly drawing all the time huh carpal tunnel yes yes
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that's how much i was working and i even had to get better equipment with something that
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you you would always have to like twist my arm i had to level up i just got like an
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ipad pro i had to get like this huge computer screen behind me that lets me draw directly on it
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oh my gosh i had to like level up that's beautiful so for you in this
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journey like did this so by now having like this revenue stream and having
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different more creativity moving back home re-centering yourself like what did you learn by changing your
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surroundings or what did like you know granted like you know for you your creativity sparked back up
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like what lessons did you learn either from a business side or creativity side when you came back
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i one thing that i learned was to give myself grace to give myself grace um
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and it was always like i felt like there was a time where i was in the middle of it where i was almost trying to keep up
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with other people and keep up with um what everybody else was doing and like i said ronnie did
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it's made me slow down and realize i had to go on my own pace my journey is my journey i don't have to follow at
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anybody else's pace of what they were doing um so and it also taught me to have like
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confidence in myself because i was dealing with heavy imposter syndrome like extremely heavy imposter syndrome
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and i'd realize nobody else can do what i can do so i'm the best of what i do and i don't have to like compete with so
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it's like a lot of things that it taught me and also because i was getting so many
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like you know dms and it taught me how to create like channels for people to
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speak to me so i had to create google docs and order forms and have prices and contracts and things
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that they had to sign and they would know up front in ways they could submit um their photographs to me
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you know it i had to create like this entire workflow that i didn't have before
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well first of all thank you antoinette for the
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we're here with john quell the artist the creative behind john paul art we've known her from her plus-sized
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fashion um like it's it's beyond like sketches and artwork because it's really
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a lifestyle that you've created and that you've really cornered the market in um we see the high fashion um
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but they've never included plus like you can out the gate featuring plus bodies featuring plus
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women and and men and everything uh like you know in the spectrum
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really celebrating our curves in our bodies and so with rona like it this pivot allowed for
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you to really kind of like revisit like the why of what you started like the core
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of what of what you started and it kind of reintroduced you um to all that that's mocha over there
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shaking it um so now you start like you open it up you have a hundred
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commissions like um in queue how do you feel now that you've like
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learned to give yourself grace you're stepping into reconnecting to what got you started in the first place how
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do you feel um i feel inspired more than anything
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i feel inspired i feel like there's so much more i have to say so many stories that i
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have now because um it's not just me doing fashion illustration i was like there's stories that i have to tell i want to
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show women of size living in luxury because we're not shown that way especially if we're of color the media
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definitely doesn't show us that way if we're of color so i feel like i have a job to do and it's like kind of like
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almost my responsibility to do what i can in that area so yeah i'm looking i'm looking at new ways
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to express that um different storylines i can tell things from products
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you know creating a sticker club doing keychains doing everybody wants the girls on t-shirts
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looking at stuff like that so it's like i'm getting my business in order i'm restructuring
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my business and imagining where else he could go that's beautiful i am so proud of you
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thank you you know when you find your purpose when you are inspired and you understand
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your purpose things become so laser focused and the things that you like in ins you
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know it's it's interesting because similarly to you like rona had me sit down
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strip down everything list of events planning go go go go go
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i wouldn't have been able to focus on you know why where where am i going why am i
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doing it how am i going to do it and really just hone in and hearing your journey is like kind of
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just like i it mirrors mine but it kind of also affirms me so i thank you for sharing
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that because i i did not know like that shift for you so
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with this shift like now where are you it's 20 21
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and we're in the second month of the year we're still here with the rona
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like i mean you're looking amazing i mean come on
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your jacket in your lip give us the details okay so this was from full beauty
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yeah this is years ago yes and i've had it for a while the funny thing is is that when i was
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moving down here my family was like you have to get rid of your coats because it's hot down here and i was like never
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never am i going to get rid of it and it's cold so they're knocking on my
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door can we borrow your coats i'm like are you prepared to look fabulous in these come on
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nobody out here has jackets so i i live in my coat so i'm so happy for this
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weather i hate what it's doing to the rest of us but you know i'm happy that it's cold enough that i can at least wear these
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and my you're wearing my lippy i need to
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tell you the name of my lippy eek just gave you a full shot of the paintings behind me but this lippy
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is estee lauder okay girl estee lauder lippy and it is called shocking off
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well it is working for you right i'm always weird to doing reds on
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my lips like i would rather hair like you know blushes like on the lip i
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love to go more of a vampy darker color exactly so okay
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so we've started um if you guys are just joining us i'm here with john jean-claude art she is the artist behind
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jean-paul art like you've seen her work almost everywhere whether she's been on you've gone viral on instagram on
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twitter um she's her work and we've featured her work she's done collaborations
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and we're talking a little bit about her journey and she talked about how when she moved back from new york to louisiana inspiration came back
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like work came back like kind of coming back into her own like why she got started and so
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jungkook where do you see yourself in five years oh interesting question
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because the biggest things like i thought that everything was gonna stop when rona first hit
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but actually some of the things that were on my bucket list that i thought were gonna be further down the line happen um i've been licensed by a
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company called icanvis so you can actually find my work in nordstrom's and [Music]
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so i'm very happy to continue you know that journey with them and yeah i would like to see my artwork
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in stores like when you walk through stories i want you to see it's already online but when you walk through target i want you to see my
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artwork there i want to start um probably teaching online
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um because i recently was a guest lecturer at fit
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and there were a lot of students use me yes one more time i was a guest lecturer at
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fit as the plus size fashion spokesperson wow because there are a growing number
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of young students that want to be in the plus size but there's not enough educators at this
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point that can teach them so yeah because they just got um i guess
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you would call him an ally ish person at parsons the new dean of fashion is someone who's
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champion inclusion and plus sizes in fashion and he comes from canada so i'm really excited to see
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what he does at parsons so keep going you were a guest lecturer yes so that opened my eyes what i want
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to be a lecturer i want to continue lecturing at schools and doing venues and things like continue spreading this message
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but also um teaching as well um people who are interested in learning
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plus size illustration want to be able to do plus size fashion like i'm very ready to like share what i
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have learned even you know i was self-taught in doing it but i'm at the point now that i can turn around and teach it
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girl you are killing it i hope that you are taking the time to celebrate
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yourself in these moments because oftentimes us women of color we tend to just kind of
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like blaze through and not sit and appreciate these milestones
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like these for you and i'm i'm mostly talking to myself on that
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i'll own that i know i i'm doing better but you know it's part of my journey
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right so for you like are you celebrating or how
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can you i guess the question is like really how can you celebrate but in that giving yourself grace is there
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also those celebrations or how are you celebrating yourself um one of the things is i have very good
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friends in my life who make me celebrate myself and every time they remind me to do so
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like any time i get to the point to where the oh the imposter syndrome bubbles up like oh no i can't do that and say who are you
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talking to list your accomplishments and they will make me run through my resume and even halfway through i'd be like oh wow
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i really did do all of that you know yes yes yes yes yes so then
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but so when you say celebrate can you articulate like what those little things may be that you
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do to celebrate in addition to acknowledging and verbally saying them
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i think that some of the things i do to celebrate myself well in the middle of a pandemic it might be
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just to buy myself something that i wanted that i put off for a long time i can say now that i now have like my
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dream studio which i thought would be another five years before i had it because the stuff was so expensive
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but because i you know gotten so much support i was able to buy everything that was on
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my list five years ahead of time and i know that that is still related to my
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art but i'm like i'm a geek behind art supplies so that makes me happy
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i'm so excited for you so then for if you had to give some advice
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to an aspiring artist to an artist who's like just dabbling or kind of getting familiar in
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the illustration plus size illustration space what advice would you give to them
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oh god like so i get asked this question um a lot my thing is i always tell people that
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people are interested in you they're interested in your story so find out what your unique story
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is and find a way to illustrate that and tell you know and tell it to the world so the reason why my art touches so many
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people is because it's tied to what i am not just an appearance like the idea of wanting to show women
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in such a positive light it's tied to the fact that i was bullied my whole life and i was like no we're not going
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to continue this narrative so i always tell people go back to yourself go all the way back to your childhood
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even and find what it is that makes you you and find a way to portray it in
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your work that's beautiful and i think that is akin to like the why
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like i always say what is your why so like for you it's like what it's very similar and it's that core of
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like what you're doing and why you're doing it and how you're doing it and so if people wanted to work with you
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are you still taking commissions yes my commissions are open um if you go
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to if they go to either my facebook or my instagram in the bio they can click on the link
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it's a link tree it will open up to all of these different ways that you can contact me there's order forms for commissions
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there's links to the company that i'm licensed with so you can buy canvas prints of my art there's links to
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online stores that carry my work um and my mailing list as well my
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website is on there but it's under construction at the moment because it's coming back with merchandise and i wish i wish the
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samples would have been here in time for this but i'm waiting for my samples to come in when
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they come you just drop us an email so that we can we can hear some love right i dropped it
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i dropped your instagram in the comments so if you guys are looking for information mocha
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uh honey no ma'am he's trying to bark at a truck that's
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like far away but we've dropped her link for you guys if you want to follow her you want a commission
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like the work that's behind you these are up these are things that you've already done
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like this one that's black and white behind you is there a story behind it this that one that's
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behind me there's not really a story behind it um every once in a while i would just grab
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a huge blank canvas and just unload on it i think this one took maybe three hours to
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do um and it's just a way just for me to be um be free and i won't plan out what it is i won't
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over think um i'll just go and i'll just unleash on the canvas and it just if they come out
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beautiful they get hung up if not they just go in the class right right and so with all the
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additional pieces like will your new site like well when you relaunch your website will we be
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able to literally shop some of your old work yes so the funny thing is i have so
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much work that everybody wants so i'm gonna find a way to like rotate it but i will have prints i will
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have clothing uh coffee mugs and some other things that i'm like waiting to get
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samples in from that was another thing i learned how to like talk to manufacturers in other countries
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that was a whole nother thing that's the whole real thing like yeah because now as a creative and i
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think this is like oftentimes like the challenge as creatives like we want to create but then we've learned
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the business along the way and we've made mistakes like we've you
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know like there have been big ones and small ones that we've learned and now when you're like you're like oh
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my gosh i wish i would have known how to do this or to do this first so to create this first or
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understanding the process what do you think has probably been one of your biggest uh lessons when it comes to business
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keep going even when you make a mistake like of course there are moments where i
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literally just want to go in a dark room and die or something excuse me
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what i've learned is you don't know what you don't know right you don't know what you don't know
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and if mistakes are inevitable you're going to make them and the thing is to take that mistake
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and just learn from it like every mistake that i have learned has become like a additional term in a contract or
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come on it's because it's become a different way to re arrange an order form or it's become a
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different term that would be on the website and if i hadn't made the mistake i wouldn't have known now when somebody
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comes to me i don't negotiate i know what better pricing you know i
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know that okay i may have to look talk to a lawyer about this and not you know or this needs to be further looked into but
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if you do not make those mistakes you'll know you'll never know google can only teach you so much
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so much and i have found two that after you've made the mistakes like you
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oh well i have learned that you either a learn more patience and dealing with others because like
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when you when you [ __ ] up like you realize like i didn't know this i didn't know this so now like if i'm
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engaging with someone else like i'm going to give and extend that grace because someone probably didn't know
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but also you know boundaries yeah that's probably one of the things that
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i've learned like you know learning how to stay true to your vision and not let someone else kind of deter you from
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those boundaries and and for you you also mentioned um real quick lois said that black and
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white canvas would be so cool as a graphic t-shirt oh
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i would have to agree i totally see it thank you shout out to lois thank you
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lois so i think so so then i have one other question because you mentioned that you
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were dealing with anxiety as someone who literally was dealing with high functioning depression
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and anxiety i had like i was almost five years ago i started going to therapy
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i started going to therapy unpacking didn't even realize like how i like my actions like
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either i was avoiding things because of like past experiences or i was afraid of
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abandonment because i have those issues or like all the things like you know you're
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able to kind of unpack them as someone who is admitted you know you should just share that you navigate through anxiety
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how are you processing like or what tools have you learned to help you through that also cbd is
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great um i think uh for one thing the reason i know i had is because i was in therapy
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like my therapist was like okay this is what's happening you're not crazy this is just what's happening and it's probably why
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so one of the things that it got me is that it made it very real because i think a lot of times we people are just
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oh i have anxiety and they don't realize it's a very real thing so once you know it's a real thing you can kind of come
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up with coping mechanisms to almost like work your way through them and say okay this
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is a panic attack this isn't real we can work through this you know we can
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give ourselves you know grace and then i notice that if it gets bad just stop
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if i'm able to just stop what i'm doing and then come back the world is not going to end it's like
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it's not going to end so i would just if something was causing me anxiety the best thing for me would
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be to step back from it and come back to it with a cool hand so rather it's like talking with a client and they're upset
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about something it's better for me to like give it a moment sleep on it go eat
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and rather than to just jump right back at them with that anxiety at the top i'm
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like it's just about okay let's look at this from another angle
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and that's all that's the best thing i think you know yeah it becomes like a muscle right so like the more that you you know
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practice those steps the easier you are it easier it becomes at times because
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sometimes it's it's just like just leave it alone right you're like uh shut the computer
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i'll come back to you tomorrow right right so um you know we've shared your url we've
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shared your instagram um do you have like a
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so is everything on your link tree yeah i did um everything about me is
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pretty much there i did very good with keeping everything in one place that's one thing i learned about creating channels they can contact me
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it's like everything is here right and so um remind everyone then where they can
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follow you how they can reach you and how they can connect with you okay so you can find me um
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at jungkook art everything from my instagram my tick tock my twitter and my facebook is drunkwellart and my
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website is jungle.com so if you google my name you will find
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everything um underneath my name and if you can't like i said uh all of my social media i will have a
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link tree with every place that you can find me on the internet at this point
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awesome and i mean i can't believe we've already gone through the 30 minutes right like it's gone by hella past you've been such
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an amazing
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